2026/3/16 by ESPN Tim Bontemps & Bobby Marks https://tinyurl.com/28fcuypu In December 2020, NBA commissioner Adam Silver said the league was taking a fresh look at the idea of expanding after nearly two decades. For the past five years since he floated the concept, an entire industry around the idea has developed as great anticipation has built. And after several fits and starts, the league is now barreling toward the addition of two teams, as ESPN's Shams Charania reported Monday that next week's board of governors meeting will include a vote to explore adding Seattle and Las Vegas franchises beginning with the 2028-29 season. Here's our latest intel from conversations with sources in and around the NBA on how this complicated, league-altering process could play out. 2020 年 12 月，NBA執行長 Adam Silver 表示，聯盟在經歷近二十年後，正重新審視擴 編的想法。自他提出這個概念以來的過去五年中，隨著期待感不斷升溫，圍繞這一構想的 整個產業已經成形。 在經歷幾次起伏後，聯盟現在正加速朝著增加兩支球隊的方向前進。根據 ESPN 記者 Shams Charania 週一的報導，下週的董事會將針對「2028-29 賽季增加西雅圖與拉斯維 加斯球隊」進行投票。 以下是我們透過與 NBA 內部及相關消息人士交談，針對這一複雜且將改變聯盟格局的過 程可能如何發展所獲得的最新資訊。 Why expand now? Expansion is an economic question for the league's existing 30 owners. At what point does the math make sense to where it becomes worth it to go from owning 1/30 of the league to 1/32? NBA teams currently own 3.33% of the league. If the league jumps to 32 teams, that percentage drops to 3.13%. While that might seem like an insignificant change, those fractions of a percentage will really add up over time -- particularly when factoring in, for example, the league's media rights deal, which is currently an 11-year, $76 billion package split between Disney, Amazon and Comcast. So why would the owners do it? Because, at some point, the math tips in their favor if the expansion fees -- which aren't shared with the players and go straight into the owners' pockets -- get big enough. With team valuations skyrocketing in recent seasons, including the Los Angeles Lakers selling for $10 billion last year, the realistic numbers the NBA could expect to pursue in expansion has risen along with it. Charania reported that proposals could land between $7 and $10 billion. For example, let's say both teams sell for a total of $15 billion. That would mean all 30 existing NBA owners would immediately receive a $500 million check, a massive incentive to move forward with expansion now. 為何選在現在擴編？ 對於聯盟現有的 30 位老闆來說，擴編是一個經濟問題。數學計算要在什麼時候才合理， 讓擁有聯盟的 1/30 變成 1/32 是值得的？ 目前的 NBA 球隊各自擁有聯盟 3.33% 的股份。如果聯盟增加到 32 支球隊，該百分比將 降至 3.13%。雖然這看似微不足道，但隨著時間推移，這些百分比的碎片將積少成多—— 特別是考慮到聯盟的媒體權利協議，目前是一份由 Disney、Amazon 和 Comcast 瓜分的 11 年 760 億美元方案。 那麼，老闆們為什麼要這麼做？因為在某個時間點，如果擴編費（這筆費用不與球員分成 ，直接進入老闆口袋）足夠龐大，數學計算就會向他們傾斜。隨著球隊估值在近幾季飆升 ，包括去年洛杉磯湖人隊以 100 億美元售出，NBA 預期在擴編中追求的現實數字也隨之 水漲船高。Charania 報導稱，提案金額可能落在 70 億至 100 億美元之間。 例如，假設兩支球隊總共以 150 億美元成交。這意味著現有的 30 位 NBA 老闆每人將立 即收到 5 億美元的支票，這是目前推動擴編的巨大動力。 Will expansion definitely happen? It will be shocking if expansion doesn't happen. Within league circles, it has been seen as the expected outcome for several years, though it was far from a certainty because of some pushback from different owners over the economics for the reasons laid out above. However, when Silver said in December a decision was coming in 2026, the belief within the league was that expansion to Seattle and Las Vegas was close to inevitable. While next week's vote is not a binding resolution, something like that is more likely to come at the July board of governors meeting during the Las Vegas Summer League, sources told ESPN. 擴編一定會發生嗎？ 如果擴編沒發生，那將令人震驚。 在聯盟圈子裡，這已被視為數年來的預期結果，儘管由於不同老闆對上述經濟因素的抵觸 ，這並非百分之百確定。然而，當席佛在 12 月表示將於 2026 年做出決定時，聯盟內部 的信念是：擴編至西雅圖和拉斯維加斯幾乎是不可避免的。 消息人士告訴 ESPN，雖然下週的投票不是具約束力的決議，但類似的決議更有可能在 7 月拉斯維加斯夏季聯賽期間的董事會會議上提出。 Do the players have any say? The decision on expansion rests solely with the board of governors and will require approval from 23 of the 30 existing owners to move forward. While the National Basketball Players Association has a say in many matters -- for example, potentially making the schedule shorter -- adding teams is not one of them. That said, the idea of adding another 30 roster spots (36 including two-way contracts) is one the union would be very much in favor of, sources said. 球員有發言權嗎？ 擴編的決定全權由董事會負責，且需要現有 30 位老闆中的 23 位批准才能繼續。雖然國 家籃球球員協會（NBPA）在許多事務上有發言權（例如：可能縮短賽程），但增加球隊並 不在此列。 儘管如此，消息人士表示，工會非常支持增加另外 30 個球員名單名額（包括雙向合約在 內共 36 個）的想法。 Why Seattle? To right a past wrong. Seattle has been the biggest city in the country without an NBA team for nearly 20 years, since the SuperSonics moved to Oklahoma City. Bringing a team back to Seattle in 2028-29, 20 years after the Thunder began playing in OKC in 2008, would become one of the defining events of Silver's tenure as commissioner. For years, the issue with the NBA's return to Seattle was the lack of a replacement for KeyArena, deemed inadequate by the league as part of the Sonics' move. That changed in 2021 when the renovated Climate Pledge Arena opened as home of the WNBA's Storm and the expansion NHL Kraken. 為什麼是西雅圖？ 為了糾正過去的錯誤。 自超音速隊搬遷至奧克拉荷馬城以來，西雅圖近 20 年來一直是美國沒有 NBA 球隊的最 大城市。在 2008 年雷霆隊開始在 OKC 比賽後的 20 年（即 2028-29 賽季），讓球隊重 返西雅圖，將成為席佛擔任執行長期間最具代表性的事件之一。 多年來，NBA 重返西雅圖的問題在於缺乏 KeyArena 的替代方案，該場館在超音速搬遷時 被聯盟認為不合格。這種情況在 2021 年發生了變化，翻修後的氣候宣言競技場（ Climate Pledge Arena）啟用，成為 WNBA 風暴隊和 NHL 擴編球隊海怪隊的主場。 Why Las Vegas? Vegas has become the league's unofficial 31st city, with its annual Summer League growing over the past decade into the NBA's version of Comic-Con, a massive event that brings hundreds of thousands of fans each July. And, for the first three years of its existence, Vegas hosted the championship round of the Emirates NBA Cup. Las Vegas has exploded in popularity from a sports standpoint in recent years, with the Raiders arriving from Oakland in 2020, the Aces coming from San Antonio in 2018, the Golden Knights entering the NHL as an expansion team in 2017 and MLB's Athletics eventually coming from Oakland (via Sacramento). 為什麼是拉斯維加斯？ 維加斯已成為聯盟非正式的第 31 座城市，其年度夏季聯賽在過去十年中已發展成為 NBA 版的「動漫展（Comic-Con）」，這是一項每年 7 月吸引數十萬球迷的盛大活動。而 且，在阿聯酋 NBA 盃（Emirates NBA Cup）存在的前三年，維加斯都承辦了決賽輪。 從體育角度來看，拉斯維加斯的受歡迎程度在近年呈爆炸式增長：2020 年突擊者隊（ Raiders）從奧克蘭遷入，2018 年王牌隊（Aces）從聖安東尼奧遷入，2017 年金騎士隊 （Golden Knights）作為擴編球隊進入 NHL，以及 MLB 的運動家隊（Athletics）最終也 將從奧克蘭（經由薩克拉門托）遷入。 Could other cities try to get a team? Several cities have received some attention as being possibilities, from international locations such as Mexico City, Vancouver and Montreal to American cities such as Kansas City, Louisville and Nashville. Maybe in the future a European division could be possible, but not before significant changes in air travel make it more feasible. None, however, were ever likely to leapfrog Vegas or Seattle. 其他城市會嘗試爭取球隊嗎？ 有幾個城市作為可能性受到了一些關注，從墨西哥城、溫哥華和蒙特婁等國際地點，到堪 薩斯城、路易斯維爾和納許維爾等美國城市。未來或許可能成立歐洲分區，但在飛航型態 發生重大變化使其更具可行性之前，這是不可能的。然而，目前沒有任何城市可能超越維 加斯或西雅圖。 Would Seattle be the SuperSonics? Would it retain that franchise's pre-2008 history? In short: yes. The deal between Thunder ownership and the city of Seattle resolving a lawsuit over the team's arena lease and allowing its move to Oklahoma City stipulated that the name SuperSonics and all associated logos, colors and trademark would be transferred to the owner of a new NBA team approved to play at a renovated KeyArena at no cost. That agreement laid out the terms of shared ownership of Sonics history, including the team's 1979 championship trophy and retired jerseys. Officially, the NBA combines the history of both teams. For example, the league recognizes Hall of Famer Gary Payton as Oklahoma City's all-time leader in games played. The Thunder, however, do not hang any banners for the SuperSonics in Oklahoma City, and in their media guide they don't highlight any Seattle stats -- listing, for example, Russell Westbrook as the team's all-time assists leader, rather than Payton. Sources said if a team was to return to Seattle, the Thunder would cede the Seattle history back to the SuperSonics -- just as the NBA's Charlotte Hornets reclaimed the Charlotte-era history of the New Orleans Pelicans when Charlotte regained the Hornets name in 2014. 西雅圖球隊會叫超音速嗎？會保留 2008 年前的隊史嗎？ 簡而言之：是的。 雷霆隊所有權與西雅圖市之間解決球場租約訴訟並允許球隊遷往奧克拉荷馬城的協議規定 ，「超音速（SuperSonics）」的名稱以及所有相關標誌、顏色和商標，將免費轉讓給獲 准在翻修後的 KeyArena 比賽的新 NBA 球隊老闆。 該協議列出了超音速隊歷史共享所有權的條款，包括球隊 1979 年的冠軍獎盃和退休球衣 。官方上，NBA 將兩支球隊的歷史合併。例如，聯盟承認名人堂成員蓋瑞·培頓（Gary Payton）為奧克拉荷馬城隊史的出賽場次領袖。 然而，雷霆隊在奧克拉荷馬城並未懸掛任何超音速隊的旗幟，且在媒體指南中也不強調西 雅圖時期的數據——例如，將羅素·衛斯特布魯克（Russell Westbrook）列為隊史助攻 王，而非培頓。 消息人士表示，如果球隊重返西雅圖，雷霆隊將把西雅圖的歷史交還給超音速隊——就 像 2014 年夏洛特黃蜂隊重新獲得黃蜂名稱時，從紐奧良鵜鶘隊手中收回夏洛特時期的歷 史一樣。 If two teams are added in the West, what will happen to the conferences? Seattle and Las Vegas would both land in the West, necessitating one franchise shifting from West to East to rebalance the 17-15 split. The decision would likely be between three teams: the Minnesota Timberwolves, New Orleans Pelicans and Memphis Grizzlies. Geographically, New Orleans and Memphis are the Eastern-most teams in the Western Conference but are short flights from several West opponents (each other, all three Texas teams and the Thunder). Minnesota is farther west but far more geographically isolated. The Timberwolves' closest West opponent, the Denver Nuggets, are 680 miles away. Six East cities (Milwaukee, Chicago, Indianapolis, Detroit, Cleveland and Toronto) are within that range. It would likely be a protracted fight to determine who would move East, but those facts would seem to make Minnesota the most logical choice. 如果西部增加兩支球隊，分區會發生什麼變化？ 西雅圖和拉斯維加斯都將位於西部，這勢必需要一支球隊從西區移至東區。 這個決定可能會在三支球隊之間產生：明尼蘇達灰狼、紐奧良鵜鶘和曼菲斯灰熊。從地理 上看，紐奧良和曼菲斯是西區最靠東的球隊，但距離幾個西區對手（彼此、三支德州球隊 和雷霆隊）的飛行距離很短。 明尼蘇達雖然位置更偏西，但在地理上更為孤立。灰狼隊最近的西區對手丹佛金塊隊距 離 680 英里。而在這個範圍內有六個東區城市（密爾瓦基、芝加哥、印第安納波利斯、 底特律、克里夫蘭和多倫多）。 決定誰將移往東區可能會有一場長期的爭論，但這些事實似乎讓明尼蘇達成為最合乎邏輯 的選擇。 What impact could expansion have on NBA playoffs and NBA Cup formats? As far as the playoffs go, bumping up to 32 teams shouldn't change anything at all. Ten teams would qualify for the postseason, six directly and four into the play-in tournament. Six teams, rather than five now, would go directly to the draft lottery. Going up to 32 teams, however, would potentially result in positive changes for the NBA Cup. Currently, the league splits the tournament's group stage into six groups of five -- meaning it can't have every team play on the final day of group play, because there are odd numbers of teams in each group. A 32-team pool would allow the NBA to mirror the 32-team FIFA World Cup format: eight groups of four teams, each of which would play each other once. Then, the NBA could either have 16 teams advance to the knockout portion of the tournament, taking the top two teams from each group (like the World Cup does), or it could have each group winner advance and have the same knockout stage format it does now. 擴編對 NBA 季後賽和 NBA 盃形式有什麼影響？ 就季後賽而言，增加到 32 支球隊應該不會改變任何事情。10 支球隊將獲得季後賽資格 ，6 支直接晉級，4 支進入附加賽。進入選秀抽籤的球隊將從目前的 5 支增加到 6 支。 然而，增加到 32 支球隊可能會為 NBA 盃帶來積極變化。目前，聯盟將小組賽分為 6 組 、每組 5 隊，這意味著無法讓每支球隊都在小組賽最後一天比賽，因為每組都是奇數隊 。 32 隊的規模將允許 NBA 複製 32 隊制的 FIFA 世界盃模式：8 個小組、每組 4 隊，每 隊進行一次循環賽。然後，NBA 可以讓 16 支球隊晉級淘汰賽階段，取每組前兩名（如世 界盃所示）；或者讓每組第一名晉級，維持目前的淘汰賽形式。 Will there be rule changes from previous expansions? The NBA is expected to take a close look at the entire process of expansion -- for example how an expansion draft would work to restrictions teams would have on spending in their initial years of existence to what the rules governing their draft picks would be -- before a formal vote to expand would take place. The league will be balancing both not making it so difficult on the incoming teams that they have no chance to compete for years, but also not giving them a giant leg up on their competition by walking in with a clean slate to start working from. There will be robust discussions over the next few months about what all this will look like. 擴編規則會與之前的不同嗎？ 預計 NBA 會在正式擴編投票前，仔細審視擴編的整個過程——例如：擴編選秀如何運作 、球隊在成立初期的支出限制，以及規範其選秀權的規則。 聯盟將在兩者之間取得平衡：既不能讓新加入的球隊太難生存以至於多年無法競爭，也不 能因為給予一張乾淨的白紙來操作而讓他們相對於競爭對手擁有巨大優勢。未來幾個月將 針對這些具體細節進行深入討論。 How could the expansion draft work? During the 2004 expansion that brought in the Charlotte Bobcats (now Hornets), existing NBA teams were allowed to protect up to eight players under contract for the next season from being selected. Past expansion draft rules required that a team had to leave at least one player unprotected, even if the team had fewer than eight players under contract heading into the offseason. Those with options to become a free agent count toward that total, and, if selected, the player's former team would receive a trade exception in the amount of that player's 2028-29 salary. Teams were also allowed to protect players who could become restricted free agents, but past expansion draft rules did not transfer RFA status to the expansion team. The drafting team would be at risk of losing a player for nothing. (However, the player would not be allowed to re-sign with his original team.) In past expansion drafts, teams were allowed to select only one player from each existing NBA franchise. There were no two-way players in 2004, so the league will need to determine if they can be protected in a future expansion draft. Every two-way player whose contract is up normally becomes a restricted free agent. One thing to point out is that the NBA and NBPA would be operating under the current collective bargaining agreement, which runs through the 2029-30 season. There is a provision however that allows either side the option to terminate the CBA on June 30, 2029, if there is notice given on or before Oct. 15, 2028. 擴編選秀可能如何運作？ 在 2004 年引入夏洛特山貓（現黃蜂）的擴編中，現有的 NBA 球隊被允許保護下個賽季 合約內的最多 8 名球員不被選走。 過去的擴編選秀規則要求，即使一支球隊進入休賽期時合約內的球員少於 8 人，也必須 至少留出一名球員不設保護。擁有球員選項成為自由球員的人也計入該總數，如果被選 中，該球員的原球隊將獲得等同於該球員 2028-29 賽季薪資金額的交易特例。 球隊也被允許保護可能成為受限制自由球員（RFA）的球員，但過去的擴編選秀規則並未 將 RFA 身份轉移給擴編球隊。選人的球隊將面臨白白失去球員的風險（不過，該球員不 被允許與原球隊重新簽約）。 在過去的擴編選秀中，球隊被允許從每支現有的 NBA 球隊中僅選擇一名球員。 2004 年時還沒有雙向球員，因此聯盟需要確定他們在未來的擴編選秀中是否可以被保護 。每位合約到期的雙向球員通常會成為受限制自由球員。 需要指出的一點是，NBA 和 NBPA 將在目前的勞資協議（CBA）下運作，該協議將持續到 2029-30 賽季。然而，有一項條款允許任何一方在 2028 年 10 月 15 日或之前發出通知 的情況下，於 2029 年 6 月 30 日終止 CBA。 What can be learned from previous expansion drafts? In 1995, the Toronto Raptors and Vancouver Grizzlies alternated picks until they selected one player from each of the other 27 existing NBA franchises. The two teams had a coin toss to determine which would select first. The Grizzlies won the toss but chose to defer, giving them the second pick in the expansion draft. Because of that, the Grizzlies got to choose higher than the Raptors in the 1995 NBA draft. The Raptors finished the expansion draft with 14 players and Grizzlies selected 13. In 2004, Charlotte could have selected 29 players (one from each team) in the expansion draft but chose 19. The Charlotte front office took an approach in 2004 of selecting players who were restricted free agents. Out of the 19 players Charlotte selected (a minimum 14 was required), nine were restricted free agents. The only one of those nine who re-signed with Charlotte was Tamar Slay. The standard roster rules during the regular season and offseason will likely apply: A team can carry up to 21 players in the offseason and 18 (including three on two-way contracts) once the regular season begins. 從之前的擴編選秀中可以學到什麼？ 1995 年，多倫多暴龍和溫哥華灰熊交替挑選，直到他們從當時現有的 27 支 NBA 球隊中 各選出一名球員。 兩隊透過擲硬幣決定誰先挑選。灰熊贏得了擲硬幣但選擇延後，讓他們在擴編選秀中獲得 第二順位。正因如此，灰熊在 1995 年的 NBA 選秀中獲得了比暴龍更高的順位。 暴龍在擴編選秀結束時選了 14 名球員，灰熊則選了 13 名。 2004 年，夏洛特本可以在擴編選秀中選擇 29 名球員（每隊一名），但最終選擇了 19 名。2004 年夏洛特管理層採取的方法是選擇受限制自由球員。夏洛特選擇的 19 名球 員中（最少要求 14 名），有 9 名是受限制自由球員。這 9 人中唯一與夏洛特重新簽約 的是 Tamar Slay。 例行賽和休賽期的標準名單規則可能適用：球隊在休賽期可攜帶最多 21 名球員，一旦例 行賽開始則為 18 名（包括三名雙向合約球員）。 How do expansion teams factor into the leaguewide draft? The NBA has slotted each expansion team in the first round, with Vancouver selecting sixth and Toronto seventh in 1995 and Charlotte picking fourth in 2004. In that draft, the Bobcats traded up with the Los Angeles Clippers to get the second overall pick (Emeka Okafor). None of the recent expansion teams have been eligible for the No. 1 pick in their first year. When the Raptors and Grizzlies entered the league, they were also ineligible for the No. 1 pick in their second season. The Raptors won the draft lottery in 1996, but were unable to pick first, so the No. 1 pick went to the Philadelphia 76ers (who drafted Allen Iverson). 擴編球隊如何參與全聯盟選秀？ NBA 已將每支擴編球隊安排在第一輪，1995 年溫哥華選中第六順位、多倫多第七，2004 年夏洛特選中第四。在那次選秀中，山貓隊與洛杉磯快艇隊進行交易，換取了榜眼籤（ Emeka Okafor）。 最近的擴編球隊在第一年都沒有資格獲得狀元籤。當暴龍和灰熊進入聯盟時，他們在第二 個賽季也沒有資格獲得狀元籤。暴龍在 1996 年贏得了選秀抽籤，但無法挑選第一名，因 此狀元籤歸屬費城 76 人（他們選中了 Allen Iverson）。 How could the salary cap work for expansion teams? Each expansion team has to work within a reduced salary cap for its first two seasons. In July 2004, the Bobcats had $17.6 million in player salaries and were $11.8 million below the $29.4 million salary cap at the start of free agency. If an expansion team was entering the league for the 2028-29 season, using that 66.6% figure, that team would be working with a salary cap of $121.9 million, compared with a projected $183 million cap for the league's 30 existing franchises. The team would have 80% of the salary cap available the following season, and the full cap available for Year 3. An expansion team would be required to spend 90% of its lower $121.9 million salary cap by the first day of the regular season to reach the league-mandated salary floor. Teams can select a player in the expansion draft and then waive him without his salary counting against the cap, with that money still applying to the salary floor. 擴編球隊的薪資上限如何運作？ 每支擴編球隊在前兩個賽季必須在縮減的薪資上限內運作。2004 年 7 月，山貓隊的球員 薪資為 1,760 萬美元，在自由市場開始時比 2,940 萬美元的薪資上限低了 1,180 萬美 元。 如果一支擴編球隊在 2028-29 賽季進入聯盟，使用 66.6% 的比例計算，該球隊的薪資上 限將為 1.219 億美元，而聯盟現有 30 支球隊的預計上限為 1.83 億美元。該球隊在下 個賽季將擁有 80% 的薪資上限，並在第三年獲得完整的上限。 擴編球隊被要求在例行賽第一天前支出其較低的 1.219 億美元薪資上限的 90%，以達到 聯盟規定的最低薪資線（Salary Floor）。球隊可以在擴編選秀中選擇一名球員然後裁掉 他，其薪資不計入上限，但這筆錢仍計入最低薪資線。 ====================================懶人包==================================== 1.下週董事會將針對 2028-29 賽季增加西雅圖與拉斯維加斯兩支球隊進行投票，但此投 票不是具約束力的決議。 2.雖然股權會被稀釋，但預估高達 70 億至 100 億美元的擴編費（不需與球員分成，每 位老闆將立即收到 5 億美元）是現任老闆們同意擴編的主因。 3.聯盟內部普遍認為擴編已不可避免，正式決議最快可能在今年 7 月的拉斯維加斯夏季 聯賽期間達成。 4.球員對擴編無決策權，但由於將增加 30 至 36 個工作機會，球員公會（NBPA）抱持高 度支持。 5.重返西雅圖旨在糾正 2008 年超音速隊遷走的歷史錯誤，並將收回「超音速」之名與過 往隊史紀錄，雷霆隊則需將相關榮譽（如 1979 冠軍）交還。 6.拉斯維加斯的加入是很容易的決定，其早已成為 NBA 非正式的第 31 座城市，且近年 在職業體育產業（NFL、NHL、WNBA）發展極為迅速。 7.雖然墨西哥城、堪薩斯城等曾被討論，但目前皆無法撼動西雅圖與拉斯維加斯的領先地 位。 8.由於新球隊皆位於西部，明尼蘇達灰狼因地理位置最有機會被移至東區。 9.季後賽模式預計不變，但 32 隊規模將使 NBA Cup 能完美複製 FIFA 世界盃的小組賽 機制（8 組、每組 4 隊）。 10.聯盟將研擬新規則，平衡「新球隊競爭力」與「現有球隊資產保護」，屆時會舉行擴 編選秀供新球隊挑選受保護名單外的球員。 11.依往例擴編球隊前幾年通常不具備獲得狀元籤（No. 1 Pick）的資格，且在新人選秀 會的順位會被固定在首輪中段。 12.擴編球隊前兩年的薪資上限會按比例縮減，首年約為正常上限的 66.6%、次年為 80% ，第三年恢復正常。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 42.72.144.69 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1773730658.A.F60.html ※ 編輯: YesBros (42.72.144.69 臺灣), 03/17/2026 15:05:33 ※ 編輯: YesBros (42.72.144.69 臺灣), 03/17/2026 15:07:24